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SSJ3 Vegeta (pre Majin) vs. Fat Buu (All Out)
Topic Started: Nov 13 2011, 08:27 PM (1,221 Views)
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Location: Stake n Shake.

Mindset: Both in character, but hell bent on winning.

Rules: No near death power ups, splitting into good/evil forms of yourself, or self-destructs from either fighter.

Two different fights:

1. Vegeta has a living body, a senzu bean and no knowledge of Buu, and Buu hasn't battled anyone since he got out of his ball (story wise, Vegeta gets the first crack at Buu, and both go all out).

2. Vegeta has a dead body, and has all the canon experience he had with Buu, and Buu has battled everyone he did until he split into good/evil, which means that Buu would have Kamehameha, ect. (here, he comes back from the dead after Goku leaves to face Buu).

My numbers make this insanely close:

SSJ2 Vegeta: 85
-SSJ3: 340
SSJ2 Goku: 110
-SSJ3: 440
--Vs. Fat Buu: 400
Fat Buu: 350-355

I think living Vegeta will get totally destroyed, as he has no clue that Buu can regenerate, stretch, copy techniques, ect., and he's at a small power disadvantage. I honestly think that even if Buu did almost nothing, and let Vegeta charge a Final Flash, Vegeta would fail to harm Buu because of the massive power drain of SSJ3, meaning I think his Final Flash would be pretty lack-luster. Even with a senzu, I don't think he'd stand much of a chance. The only way I think he could win is if Buu does totally nothing while Vegeta charges FF, and somehow eats his senzu while charging it, right before firing, but that seems like it will never happen. Even if it does, I'm unsure it would kill Buu.

Now the second fight is more interesting. Considering he's already seen Buu first hand, he'll be aware it's going to take a huge amount of power to beat Buu. If Vegeta stupidly tried to slug it out (which he wouldn't, IMO), it would start close before he gets mauled. If he tried a massive ki attack, I think Buu would return it with a Super Kamehameha, or he might just copy the Final Flash/Galick Gun. Either way, I don't think Vegeta could overwhelm Buu enough to destroy him. I think it would be an awesome battle to watch, however.

Opinions? Does anyone think that Vegeta would beat Buu, perhaps easily?
Edited by SSJ Ranulf, Nov 13 2011, 08:49 PM.
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Well using your power levels, I would say Vegeta would without a doubt lose the first fight. Knowing how Vegeta sometimes enters battles thinking he has no chance of losing, especially considering he transformed into SSJ3. I think he would be to cocky.

Now the 2nd fight, I think he would pull it off since he knows all about Buu and he wont have the drain of SSJ3 on his body.
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Nov 13 2011, 08:43 PM
Well using your power levels, I would say Vegeta would without a doubt lose the first fight. Knowing how Vegeta sometimes enters battles thinking he has no chance of losing, especially considering he transformed into SSJ3. I think he would be to cocky.

Now the 2nd fight, I think he would pull it off since he knows all about Buu and he wont have the drain of SSJ3 on his body.
Yeah that's why I gave him a senzu in fight one. I pretty much figured he'd be rolled at first, but thought it might be enough to give him a small chance.
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1st Scenario

SSJ3 Vegeta : 600

Fat Boo : 950

SSJ3 Vegeta (Post-Zenkai) : 700

I'm presuming Vegeta would use the Senzu when he was near death, thus having a Zenkai

2nd Scenario

SSJ3 Vegeta (Pre-Majin) : 600

SSJ3 Vegeta (Post-Majin) : 1,000

If he keeps his Majin power-up, he wins. If not, he loses. And since the topic title says Pre-Majin, I have Vegeta losing

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Nov 13 2011, 08:51 PM
1st Scenario

SSJ3 Vegeta : 600

Fat Boo : 950

SSJ3 Vegeta (Post-Zenkai) : 700

I'm presuming Vegeta would use the Senzu when he was near death, thus having a Zenkai

2nd Scenario

SSJ3 Vegeta (Pre-Majin) : 600

SSJ3 Vegeta (Post-Majin) : 1,000

If he keeps his Majin power-up, he wins. If not, he loses. And since the topic title says Pre-Majin, I have Vegeta losing

I stated in the opening post that there are no near death power ups, so Vegeta get's no Zenkai. But it doesn't really matter: you think Vegeta would get stomped either way, it seems.
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SSJ Ranulf
Nov 13 2011, 08:58 PM
Mirai Trunks
Nov 13 2011, 08:51 PM
1st Scenario

SSJ3 Vegeta : 600

Fat Boo : 950

SSJ3 Vegeta (Post-Zenkai) : 700

I'm presuming Vegeta would use the Senzu when he was near death, thus having a Zenkai

2nd Scenario

SSJ3 Vegeta (Pre-Majin) : 600

SSJ3 Vegeta (Post-Majin) : 1,000

If he keeps his Majin power-up, he wins. If not, he loses. And since the topic title says Pre-Majin, I have Vegeta losing

I stated in the opening post that there are no near death power ups, so Vegeta get's no Zenkai. But it doesn't really matter: you think Vegeta would get stomped either way, it seems.
Oh, Apologies, I missed the no power-up part >_<

But yeah, I don't see Vegeta winning at all. Unless he gets access to some OP attack.
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Nov 13 2011, 09:04 PM
SSJ Ranulf
Nov 13 2011, 08:58 PM
Mirai Trunks
Nov 13 2011, 08:51 PM
1st Scenario

SSJ3 Vegeta : 600

Fat Boo : 950

SSJ3 Vegeta (Post-Zenkai) : 700

I'm presuming Vegeta would use the Senzu when he was near death, thus having a Zenkai

2nd Scenario

SSJ3 Vegeta (Pre-Majin) : 600

SSJ3 Vegeta (Post-Majin) : 1,000

If he keeps his Majin power-up, he wins. If not, he loses. And since the topic title says Pre-Majin, I have Vegeta losing

I stated in the opening post that there are no near death power ups, so Vegeta get's no Zenkai. But it doesn't really matter: you think Vegeta would get stomped either way, it seems.
Oh, Apologies, I missed the no power-up part >_<

But yeah, I don't see Vegeta winning at all. Unless he gets access to some OP attack.
Lol no problem. In my years, I've missed so many things so much more important than that in so many posts.

An yeah, I only think Vegeta could win if Buu sat there, playing checkers with himself while Vegeta grows a third arm, charges Final Flash, and eats his senzu. I'm just curious to see everyone else's perspective on this one. This fight is also at the top of my list of fights I would have liked to see in DBZ.
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according to the Daiz, ssj3 is based on dormant ability. it's all the saiyan's dormant ability brought out.

according to babidi, his curse releases all the target's dormant ability.

ssj2 majin = ssj3.

vegeta doesn't stand a chance, living or dead.
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the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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Nov 13 2011, 10:54 PM
according to the Daiz, ssj3 is based on dormant ability. it's all the saiyan's dormant ability brought out.

according to babidi, his curse releases all the target's dormant ability.

ssj2 majin = ssj3.

vegeta doesn't stand a chance, living or dead.
Really? Wow, I'd never heard that before. I'm not saying you're wrong at all, I'm just kinda shocked.

Damn, if that's true, I'm faced with depressing idea of SSJ3 Vegeta getting taken down by SSJ2 Goku and end of Z Vegeta being fodder to end of Z Goku.
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Nov 13 2011, 10:54 PM
according to the Daiz, ssj3 is based on dormant ability. it's all the saiyan's dormant ability brought out.

according to babidi, his curse releases all the target's dormant ability.

ssj2 majin = ssj3.

vegeta doesn't stand a chance, living or dead.
Im sorry but that just sounds rediculous.

So SSJ3 Vegeta = SSJ2 Goku?

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Yes. That is true. I was about to point that one out myself.
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vs SEG that states that SSJ3 = 4 * SSJ2 ... so take your pick.
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Wow that is pretty disappointing to say the least..

EDIT: ^ that sounds better :)
Edited by KingOfAllSaiyans, Nov 14 2011, 01:26 AM.
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It doesn't mean EoZ Vegeta would be leagues weaker than EoZ Goku necessarily. Potential always changes, i.e. Gohan. Vegeta's could've changed a whole lot over those 10 years. But yes, in the Boo arc, SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta would be equal to SSjin 3 Vegeta, if you take what D7 says about SSjin 3 into account. If you go with the SEG, then, well, you have a 4x boost.

If I went with the SEG:

Vegeta: 2,100,000,000
- [Mastered Super Saiyan]: 21,000,000,000
- [Super Saiyan 2]: 42,000,000,000
- [Super Saiyan 3]: 168,000,000,000
- [Big Bang Attack]: 336,000,000,000
- [Final Flash]: 400,000,000,000+

Majin Boo: 190,000,000,000

13% is enough for Boo to whoop Vegeta, especially in the first fight. In the second, Vegeta does better, but not enough to win, unless he does a Final Flash or Big Bang Attack. If he did that but didn't succeed somehow, he'd be finished.
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Vegeta :

Base : 200,000,000.
SSJ : 10,000,000,000.
MSSJ : 25,000,000,000.
SSJ2 : 80,000,000,000 - 100,000,000,000.
SSJ3 : 800,000,000,000 1,000,000,000,000.
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Majin Buu : 1,200,000,000,000 - 1,350,000,000,000.
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Majin Buu roflstomps.
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